Well, here we go, gang. Recently there’s been a bit of a feud between the Star Wars and Star Trek camps. There’s always been a bit of good-natured rivalry here, but with William Shatner and Carrie Fisher going after each other in YouTube videos and such, well…it’s getting kind of ugly. It took the amazing George Takei’s call to solidarity against the Twilight franchise to cool things down. Yep, good ol’ George is like the Gandhi of Sci-Fi. (Only with a better diet, natch.)
The two sides will never see eye-to-eye. It’s natural: Marvel and DC people or Sean Connery and Roger Moore fans have passionate opinions on their favorites, and I won’t even get into how much better Crystal Skull was than Temple of Doom. (Oh, yes. I went there.) But these sort of passions run all the hotter when you’re talking about the two greatest franchises in Sci-Fi history.
And make no mistake: that’s exactly what we’re dealing with here. TRON, Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, Farscape…none of them come close to not only the sheer amount of source material, but the number of hard-core fanboys and girls that literally worship at the altars of Roddenberry and Lucas. It’s almost scary. Think about how uncomfortable everyone would be if this same amount of reverence and fanaticism were present in SAW fans and Juggalos. Holy shit, I just started shaking just thinking about it. We’re lucky, people. We’re really lucky that the “Gathering of the Juggalos” is just a once-a-year camp-out concert in rural Illinois. Can you imagine “Jug-Con Sacramento?” George R.R. Martin, Felicia Day, and Wil Wheaton all showing up to chug Faygo and parade around in Jnco Jeans? Ffffffuuuu…
So, yeah. Star Wars and Star Trek. The big boys. Title fight. And this rumble needs some handicapping to establish a clear winner. I’m going to go ahead and say that no matter which camp you belong to, I don’t think there’s a doubt in anyone’s mind that Star Wars is the clear-cut monetary champion. Hands-down. It’s not even close. Ever see a kid running around the house with his Captain Janeway action figure? No. No, you haven’t. Not that Trek is without merchandising potential…hell, there’ve been at least a couple of high-quality pornographic parodies. Prolly because there’s more sex in Trek. More on that later. Right now, we’re going to call Round One, otherwise known as The Money Round, to Star Wars. Ding!
Round two is all about cultural impact, and it’s also a doozy. In fact, the judges (which is me. I am the judges. All of ’em.) are calling this one a lot closer. It’s a helluva fight just based on catch-phrases alone. Use the force! Beam me up! I’ve got a bad feeling about this! Set phasers to “stun!” A galaxy far, far away…where no man has gone before! Live long and prosper! Punch it, Chewie! That’s no moon… Dammit, Jim, I’m a Doctor, not a magician! It’s a TRAP! But again, Star Wars gets the edge. It’s a slight one, but it’s there. Know anyone with a Star Wars-themed tattoo? Sure you do. Even non-geeks get the Imperial or Rebellion logos…some get Yoda, lightsabers, Chewie, the Death Star, perhaps a Stormtrooper helmet. Hard-core types will get that made-up Jedi language or a Darth Maul backpiece. Now, do you know anyone with a Star Fleet tattoo? No? Scotty? Maybe a portrait of Kirk & Spock from the original series? Still no? Hmm. Okay, how about this test: using only your mouth, make a lightsaber noise. Now do a TIE fighter. Good. Try Chewie’s guttural growl followed by R2’s beeps and whistles. Outstanding. Now imitate a phaser set to “kill.” Go ahead. Any time now. We’re waiting. Okay, how about a photon torpedo? Easy! Do it, please. Now. Go. Not so easy, is it? No, it isn’t. Not because the bridge of the Enterprise doesn’t have a familiar thrum, or that the transporter beam isn’t immediately recognizable…it’s just that those things haven’t ever saturated the public consciousness. They haven’t been embraced wholeheartedly and re-sampled to the point of insertion into literally every other media. Sure, Spock’s “Fascinating” and “pure energy” made it into that one dance song…but beyond that, well…yeah. Ding.
So far, it looks like this fight is all Star Wars! But wait…what about the important stuff, like characters, story, and plot? Ah, NOW we’ve got a fight on our hands. Quick, who’s your favorite Jedi? It’s not Luke. Sure as hell ain’t Qui-Gonn. Mace Windu? Maybe. Okay, non-Jedi characters. Han. Boba Fett. Lando. Chewie. Vader. And, uh…Jimmy Smits? Some CG Gungan? Okay, look at the Star Trek crews(s)…Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Chekhov, Sulu, Uhura…Picard, Riker, Geordie, Data, Wesley, Worf, Troi…Captain Sisko…Nurse Chapel…Q…Jesus, what about the Voyager crew? The one with the holographic doctor? Dang. The point is, the Star Trek universe is just filled by more and better characters. Sure, Lucas only really made six (three) films and used those to build all the print and cartoon spin-offs. Meanwhile, there have been several Trek television series and a slew of movies. But the cool thing about Trek is how distinctly different and realistic the characters all are. In Star Wars, once you get past Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie…it thins wayyyy the fuck out. The droids are cool, Yoda is cute…but as kids, nobody wanted to be Grand Moff Tarkin or Admiral Ackbar. The majority of the secondary roles were bland and unexciting. It’s almost like Lucas would rather just insert some computer-generated place holders instead of actors! Oh. Oh, yeah…round three to Star Trek. Ding!
Spoiler alert: this round is going to Star Trek. Because it’s all about sex. Yep. Star Wars does have one ace up its sleeve. Ever heard of the “Slave Leia” costume? You GOD DAMN RIGHT YOU HAVE! It’s almost to the point of being over-exposed (pun intended.) You can see this outfit at every. Convention. Ever. And I mean you can see girls dressed as Slave Leia at the Progressive Insurance convention. (Bad news? It’s that Flo chick. But still…) Wil Wheaton went on record at Comic Con San Diego last year as saying “Damn! Slave Leia is sexy!” Okay, I made that quote up. I just wanted to impress the Redditors and Big Bang Theory fans (LOVE you guys!)
But beyond that one outfit from one small chunk of one movie, what does Star Wars offer us? That time when Padme got her shirt ripped and we could see her taut, smooth midriff? Not bad. And then there was the time, that, uh…well, remember when…um…that one chick…oh. Oh, yeah. That’s about it. Meanwhile, in the ‘Trek ‘verse they had AN ENTIRE RACE OF ALIEN WOMEN BRED AS SEX SLAVES. You GOD DAMN RIGHT THEY DID! Oh, and in the sexually-enlightened 60’s when the show first aired, it not only featured somewhat sexist mini-skirt and go-go boot uniforms for the female crew members, there was also the first-ever inter-racial kiss shown on primetime. Star Trek cared less than the ol’ honey badger! They just wanted to tell good stories! And hot chicks? How about that smoking communications officer, Uhura? Or the saucy Yeoman Rand, who was totally crushing on Kirk? Or nurse Chapel? Later on you had sexy redhead Dr. Beverly Crusher, sexy security officer Tasha Yar, and sort-of sexy medium or whatever Deanna Troi? How about when Kirstie Alley was still sexy as Lt. Saavik in “Wrath of Khan?” Seven of muhfuh NINE! Yes, sex was going on EVERYWHERE! Picard and Crusher! Data and Yar! Riker and Troi! Troi and Worf! Troi and the Univeristy of North Dakota Fighting Sioux! Kirk and every female from here to the Neutral Zone! And yet, there’s this simple fact regarding sex in the Star Wars universe: the only couple we KNOW hooked up was Anakin and Padme. Sure, we like to think that Han and Leia got busy…but we don’t know. Lando should have been the pimp of the galaxy, but we never see him do more than kiss the hand of a Princess. Yawn. Ding!
Finally, let’s looks at the philosophy of both these franchises. Despite all the similarities, e.g. faster-than-light travel, beam weapons, alien species hanging with humans, AI companions, and exotic planets/landscapes, there is a bit of a gulf between the two philosophically. Trek has always prided itself (sometimes TOO much) on how much of the show was based on “plausible science.” At least they try to give some sort of basis for the technology. For example, the Warp Drive apparently runs on some sort of anti-matter channeled by dilithium crystals and whatnot. Okay. In Star Wars, the hyperdrive make ships jump to light speed. No further explanation needed. (We assume it has something to do with midichlorians.) In Star Trek, transporters break down the individual at a sub-atomic level and then re-assemble the parts at another location. In Star Wars, well…they just fly everywhere. It’s like Trek is New York with excellent mass transit systems, and Star Wars is L.A. where everyone takes their own car. And I think that’s the bottom line. Each of these multi-media sci-fi empires is excellent. They’re just different. Star Trek is science, Star Wars is magic. One is Battlefield 3 and one is Modern Warfare 3. College football or the NFL. Coors Light and Miller Light. Spring training or the World Series. Different, but good. Both look with wonder and hope at the vastness of space and see possibilities instead of fear. Both promote logic and sense over reckless violence and hate. And they both have that cool hyperspace/warp thing that makes the stars look like you’re driving down the highway at night in a snowstorm (you KNOW you imagine that shit! Don’t lie to me!) So this round is a draw. Ding.
So, judges? Wow. Tougher than I thought. The score sheet is tied. But we need a winner, ’cause that’s what ‘Merica LOVES! And I have to pick Star Wars as “The Greatest Science Fiction Canon and Works in All of Recorded History.” I do so because of the sheer amount of people that have bought into it. I do so because my kids and I can sit and watch “Empire Strikes Back” and enjoy it together. I do so because as cool as phasers are, I have ALWAYS wanted a real, working lightsaber. And so have you. Now, my dissenting opinion is this: Star Trek is the better written, acted, and thought-out series. In this fight, better is not necessarily greater. A large pizza at D’Agostino’s in Chicago is great! A grilled chicken flatbread wrap is better for you. So. Trek is better for your mind. Star Wars just tastes a little better, even though it will slowly kill you. (Actually, that’s just George Lucas killing your childhood with CGFX.) In a perfect world, you’d combine the two, but that would be overkill. It would ruin everything. It would be like that stupid Transformers/Star Wars toy line. Some things are better on their own. Although…
I’d like to take this time to remind you that there’s a very cool comment section below! Just in case! And thanks for reading. Live long and prosper, and may the Force be with you.
27 thoughts on “The Trek Wars”
here is how you know what side you are really on when you see a crossword 4 letters star__, first one to come to mind is what you are, wars for me but love me some trek.
This is an excellent point…the ol’ knee-jerk top-of-mind thing. I like.
Very nice sir! I’m a huge fan of both and have to agree with you. Star Wars is the better of the two. What a tough decision though… I mean, I loved TNG growing up. I was only 12 when the series ended, but I lived off the reruns. Riker was such a badass to me and Picard was an epic character. But as far as Star Trek goes, my love ended at TNG. I never really cared for any of the other series. I know that may be sacrilege, but to each their own. When it comes to Star Wars though, I love everything about it. The movies (yes, ALL SIX of the movies), the books, the games, everything. Theres just so much to love about that universe and I find myself exposing my kids to Star Wars a lot more than Star Trek. And yes, I do have a Star Wars tattoo.
P.S. What did you mean with the Mark Ecko comment?
If you’ll notice, one of the shirts for sale (those are by Ecko, BTW)says “Set For Stun!” Um…that’s not a Star Wars thing. For me, Star Wars is my childhood. I started watching reruns of the original Trek in junior high school and then followed TNG. I tried “Deep Space Nine” but it never got the hooks into me. ANd mind you, I didn’t say Star Wars was BETTER: I said it was GREATER. My kids think R2-D2 is cool. They don’t understand the “Prime Directive.” That’s why Star Wars succeeds. It’s more cross-generational and easier to pick up, even though Trek is better science fiction.
“There’s one… set for stun!”
Otherwise Leia would be dead within the first 20 minutes. Not very popular when you consider all the quotes in Star Wars, but it is there. Why he chose that is anyones guess…
And you’re right, Star Wars is greater, not better. My mistake.
Holy crap! I forgot all about that!! Goddammit.
Also, I guess it goes to show where my mind is...I immediately thought "Star Trek" when I saw "stun." Huh.
“The ol’ knee-jerk top-of-mind thing.”
No one calls Han Solo a bitch!!
Funniest microcosim of the trek/star wars rivalry
What do you do when the rivalry splits families? Husband: totally anti-sci-fi (I know, I know-I blame the Israelis ;). Me: love both, but prefer Star Trek. Suha: only watches Star Wars…she won’t even try to sit through any of the Star Treks! Sad really… good thing we have 3 TVs…
You make some good points, but here is mine: both are decidedly excellent…but sheer quantity and number of choices gives Star Trek the edge… there are so many different story lines and as you noted, quality characters, it is just decidedly more interesting overall…that may just be a woman’s perspective though… well developed characters and plot lines are much more cool to me than light sabers-NOT that I’m dissing light sabers, however…it’s just a matter of priorities…
Did you know that at some point I believe it was the Prince of Jordan (sorry, can’t recall which) had a small part as an extra on The Next Generation? True story.
The current king, Abdulallah II-and he’s building a Star Trek theme park in Jordan… assuming he doesn’t get deposed like many of his Arab colleagues…good stuff!
Here is his brief cameo on Voyager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmut6FJ1d4M
The times, they are a-changin’…
Any series that has nerf herder has my vote!
ooooo teeeeee deeeeee ❤
Loved this, Turner!!
Wow! You’re a babe AND you speak Jawa! I ❤ U!
Star Trek cause I know a person who had car trouble at a con and actually got help from James [Scotty] but I know of no one that got help with their car from Chewie. I don’t care I love them both actually.
I met James Doohan at the “World of Wheels” in Evansville. True story. Great dude, and when you shook hands with him you realized he was missing a finger. A finger that was shot off by a German machine gun on D-Day. THAT gets my respect, no matter what.
That being said, can you imagine Chewie and Scotty on the same ship? They could literally fix ANYTHUNG.
Awsome blog, man! I, myself, am a long time Star Wars fan. no star trek at all though, just never into it. the crazy thing is, my 7 yrs old son eats, sleeps, breaths, and shits Star Wars! Thats all you will ever hear out of his mouth is something about Star Wars. not to mention his 50 plus action figure collection( among everything else imaginable). And its not a faze believe it or not, its been goin on for over 2 yrs now! So I say, cuddos to you Turner, a great way to start the year with in my opinion your best blog to date. Keep ’em coming!
See, you asked for a new blog…and here it is!! Thanks, bub!
Some random commentary:
Can I be you when I grow up?
What’s not to like about Flo?!
Slave Leia’s at a Progressive Insurance con: hi-larious!
You know… Edward J would so have disagreed with you on this.
(I’ve been sitting here for 5 minutes trying to figure out how to make the photon torpedo sound…)
I had to google Juggalo.
I still have Star Wars movie poster hanging in my bedroom. Ask Rubi, it’s true.
One at a time:
Don’t ever grow up.
Her face is too broad or something. I don’t know. Like maybe it’s just a “Flo” mask, hiding something more…terrifying.
I concur. Leia getting Sarlaac insurance=hysterical laughter and zaniness
Dude, nice! Also, I love a Slave Leia with a sparrow rockabilly tattoo on her ribs. Hawt!
Yep. RIP, Ed.
It’s not easy. It’s either the pneumatic “phWAAH” like it sounds from the bridge or the echoey “pchOOOM!!” fromm outside the hull. Neither is easy or appealing, which describes 50% of my ex. Zing!
Sorry I even put you through that.
I do not, but do have an Advanced Dungeons and Dragons t-shirt (advanced!) and Jayne’s Blue Sun t-shirt. Which somehow makes me feel worse about myself, now that you bring it up. Dang.
I, too, have a Blue Sun t-shirt, but your mom hasn’t made me a Jayne Hat yet 😦
Okay, so one of my 19 month old sons’ first words is Yoda (he also says Iron Man). He can point Yoda out to you in a collection of toys. And he has never watched any TV yet. (the wife says, and I agree, that he can’t watch TV till after he’s two)
So, once again Turner you speak the truth. And I’m still pink. I think you do this on purpose.
But the best part about this blog is that you are 100% correct and objective. Any honest fan of either would have to agree. And you did with out devolving into the normal BS agruments ie Star Destroyer vs Enterpise or Spock vs Vader.
I seriously wish I knew how to change your avatar color, dude. I think baby blue is more your style. (I KEED!!!)
Then I could FABULOUS! Nah, the avatar is cool. Since I just started watching RedvsBlue it makes me chuckle thinking of Doughnut (insert police pun here) and of course Pinky and the Brain.
I tell people all the time how amazing you are. Here is yet another excellent example of why. I love you so goddam much!!